AirNav bans Radarspotters

[junglejet]

Free of charge AIS network.
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/de/default.aspx?zoom=10&mmsi=667932000&centerx=35.39497&centery=33.75848
Vessel doing the search for ET 737 data recorders.
Why pay for that?

[jannuh]

Realtime coverage is the difference, but that isn't a real pain with shipping for most people, who want to have a general look.

Websites like aislive.com, marinetraffic.com etc. etc. have often a delay of 1-12 or even more hours.

[junglejet]

marinetraffic.com has no delay.

[jannuh]

marinetraffic.com has no delay.

It's probably one of the best Junglejet, but sometimes, minor, delay.
I'm sending data to them.

[Anmer]

It never ends  

It is well known in this area amongst distributors, dealers and everyone in this area that the radarspotters is a forum/site created by our competitors to try to pass the idea that AirNav is unreliable - something that was previously done by our competitors directly.

Radarspotters moderators are know to be ex-top posters and very old users of our competitors product and with very closed connections with ML&S (the distributors of SBS).

This is of course an illegal activity and we are taking the proper measures to deal with it. Our users will soon be informed about it.

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=4097.msg43206#msg43206

Radarspotters was created by an Airnav RadarBox customer.  Neither Kinetic nor ML&S had anything to do with the setting up or administration of Radarspotters and still doesn't.

The only moderator who is an ex-top poster on the Kinetic Forum is Anmer.

If attending the SBS-1 Open Day at ML&S last February is deemed a close connection I'll attend one of AirNav's if it's held somewhere convenient (not Brazil).

If all of the above and owning an SBS-1 is illegal, watch out everyone.

Whatever next,  

[junglejet]

are know to be ex-top posters and very old users of our competitors product

I admit, I am a very old user. Approaching 60.
And tired.
Now feeling like 70.

[Anmer]

So why was JoJo banned from even joining the radarspotters forum?

Having read your most recent posts on the Airnav forum, it's pretty clear tarbat that you're an ardent supporter of AirNav and appear determined to cause as much mischief as possible for Radarspotters and any competing product, including PlanePlotter.

When I asked you why you bother to be a member of Radarspotters you replied:

"To discuss virtual radarspotting"

That's fine but doesn't extend to demanding explanations for our Adminitrative activity.

As it happens, we're not obliged to accept applications for membership and certainly have no intention of explaining why when we reject them.

You're more than welcome to remain a member here as long as you abide by our published Rules and Terms and Conditions.

You're also free to post on this forum but we will not allow you or anyone else to promote AirNav's interests when we aren't even allowed to defend ourselves against the continued and totally false and unfounded allegations that are constantly made about Radarspotters on the AirNav forum.

[Shaggy]

If they invested more time in their own product, rather than worrying about everyone else's and what people think of it, then they may, just have something that can compete with the SBS and all their spurious claims could actually come to fruition.

Silly people.

[junglejet]

marinetraffic.com has no delay.

It's probably one of the best Junglejet, but sometimes, minor, delay.
I'm sending data to them.

I have lived near Weert for some time, but cannot remember I have seen too many vessels there ;-)

[chrisg0wtz]

It never ends 

It is well known in this area amongst distributors, dealers and everyone in this area that the radarspotters is a forum/site created by our competitors to try to pass the idea that AirNav is unreliable - something that was previously done by our competitors directly.

Radarspotters moderators are know to be ex-top posters and very old users of our competitors product and with very closed connections with ML&S (the distributors of SBS).

This is of course an illegal activity and we are taking the proper measures to deal with it. Our users will soon be informed about it.

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=4097.msg43206#msg43206

Radarspotters was created by an Airnav RadarBox customer.  Neither Kinetic nor ML&S had anything to do with the setting up or administration of Radrspotters and still doesn't.

The only moderator who is an ex-top poster on the Kinetic Forum is Anmer.

If attending the SBS-1 Open Day at ML&S last February is deemed a close connection I'll attend one of AirNav's if it's held somewhere convenient (not Brazil).

If all of the above and owning an SBS-1 is illegal, watch out everyone.

Whatever next,   

Just to underline it is a pain that I have to now monitor 2 forums to support the SBSbut as my customers use this forum I keep an eye on it.
If looking after my customers is wrong sorry it is what I do.
Can I also say I knew nothing about this forum until a certain Valerie sent me an email advising of it.
Only 40% of SBS users use the Kinetic forum because it is not essential

That means 60% of our users do not need any support. Either they are happy or they have ditched the unit (Doubtful at nearly ?500 a pop)

I find it remarkable that half a dozen comments from this forum cause such a panic on the other one.

As to Mike being in bed with me if the comments he makes about BS and the SBS are from someone who is "In my pocket" lord help me when my enemies start.

However I dont moan or criticise Mike I crack on and try and get issues resolved.

Like Bones,KeithD Halcones,Cessna and many other helpers on the Kinetic forum I am equally grateful to Mike and others on here who do similar.
The help they give both Kinetic and Airnav users is great and all for free.
Genuine guys that help us all enjoy our hobby a little more.

I always used to worry about upsetting Mike on the Kinetic forum as his input was invaluable.
When I lost him to this forum I thought " Oh S***" But I did not have to worrry his user guides are up there with the Barebones and SBS resources as useful aids to getting the best from your box.
I know he has a Radarbox and maybe if he gets a break from the flack he gets he might do similar guides for that.

So in summary ML&S and Kinetic have no input into this forum in any way shape or form but where happy to support the forum with a few prizes as a way of thanking Mike and the crew for what they are doing support wise.

To get Mikes guides written up the cost of an SBS and few antennas was a cheap way of getting guides written and published.

Keep up the good work guys

Thankyou

[Anmer]

To get Mikes guides written up the cost of an SBS and few antennas was a cheap way of getting guides written and published.

Thanks Chris but I think we should clarify something since it might be seized on by others.

When Radarspotters was first launched, Kinetic offered some prizes in exchange for advertising, just as COAA and Radio User did for the Christmas Quiz.  The Kinetic/ML&S prizes ran out well before I decided to write User Guides that I hoped would complement existing material.  I decided what to write without consulting anyone other than Allan Bird when I heard he was going to drop support for Flight Display.  A Guide to Using Flight Display was next on my list.

If my Guides are of any help, they're my personal gift to the radar spotting community.  I never asked for, nor was I offered or given, anything in return.  As I'm sure Bones can testify, writing User Guides is no small task and the true cost would make them prohibitive for either Kinetic or ML&S to fund.

Quite simply, my view is it's more productive to answer a question once rather than everytime it crops up.  If I had Vista/Windows 7, 32 bit and 64, I know what Guide I'd write next.  

Instead it will be a personal view of using both the SBS-1 and RadarBox.  It will be balanced and fair, despite the fact that AirNav has personally abused and libelled me in numerous emails and forum posts.  But I'll be comparing products not the people who develop and distribute them.  That doesn't need doing.

[kdt1]

How you coming on the RB review?

[jannuh]

marinetraffic.com has no delay.

It's probably one of the best Junglejet, but sometimes, minor, delay.
I'm sending data to them.

I have lived near Weert for some time, but cannot remember I have seen too many vessels there ;-)

I presume you lived in Budel (N.D.), yeah not many shipping on the Zuid-Willemsvaart ;-)
I live nr. the river Maas, pass nowadays abt. 200 ships a day, but at the moment only few fitted with AIS,
but will change rapid as NL and DE government pay max. 2000 euro(as of Nov. 1 2009) for every inland ship fitted with AIS.
(now, 02:55 LT 5 ships active with ais overhere)

[MANOFKENT]

Though the main topic posted was to do with Airnav and it's mind playing little games, I do wish members would keep to the point and stop adding other topics that have no relevence, and with the added overload of shipping....that's definately a huge "drift".

Roger

[Deadcalm]

So it looks like this year, too, is going to be riddled with digs and accusations from Airnav.

For the life of me, I can't get my head around this "problem". This forum fosters an interest in those who wish to further and discuss their interest in ADS-B reception, including the hardware, software, and, well, anything else, really.

Why does one manufacturer consistently give everyone such a hard time?  You would have thought that they'd welcome input from any direction, critical or otherwise, if their product was important to them.  You'd also think that comparison with competitive products would be healthy, and encourage increased development, and thus better products from all concerned.

This inherent fear of competition damages everyone, not least the manufacturers themselves.  It sure doesn't help the users, who are confused, alienated, and end up squabbling amongst themselves.  But perhaps that's the plan...

DC