AirNav 3D Not Available

[Roadrunner]

The 3D option came back last night at about 21:00 but as I had logged off by then I didn't know until this morning.
When you look at all the advertising for 3D nowhere does it state that you need to be connected to the internet when you log on. I assume that once connected for a session you can  forget about the internet and use it stand-alone, alhtough I have not tried that yet. However, if you have a problem then you have to reload the Google-Earth plug-in which I assume also needs internet access to work. Will have to have more of a play about tomorrow.

Mike

[Hamish McTorsk]

When you look at all the advertising for 3D nowhere does it state that you need to be connected to the internet when you log on.

EXACTLY

I should state in the requirements that an internet connection is needed.......... 

[DaveReid]

I assume that once connected for a session you can  forget about the internet and use it stand-alone

That sounds unlikely, unless you are going to look at the same bit of terrain throughout your session.  As soon as you change your viewpoint, the application is presumably going to have to download another chunk of terrain data from the Google Earth server, which will obviously require an Internet connection.

[Anmer]

Bit of a disappointment for those who go mobile with their ANRB and don't have (or can justify) mobile broadband.

If and when Aurora is released, it might have the 3D market to itself.

[pjm]

Bit of a disappointment for those who go mobile with their ANRB and don't have (or can justify) mobile broadband.

I wonder how many "mobile" users of RB there are, and of that percentage who would not have mobile broadband - if they even want to use 3D instead of 2D while they are mobile.

The other advantage of using Google Earth is that you are always using the latest (google) mapping/images PLUS the ability to use the 3rd party KML/KMZ add-ons, so you are leveraging off a huge base of existing developers writing apps for probably the most popular mapping software in the world.

No point re-inventing the wheel. I wonder how up to date the Aurora mapping will be, and how much of the planet it will cover and how much detail will be available. Will they be paying expensive mapping/licensing fees to cover every part of the world? and how often will their mapping be updated? Will it have worldwide temperatures, cloud layers, airspace layers etc etc, similar to the KML/KMZ available for GE / ANRB 3D?

[DaveReid]

There's a good (and reasonably unbiased, given the source) summary of the pros and cons of using Google Earth vs standalone 3D Virtual Earth software at www.auroraeurotech.com/avionics/faq.php

[Anmer]

I wonder how many "mobile" users of RB there are, and of that percentage who would not have mobile broadband - if they even want to use 3D instead of 2D while they are mobile.

As Dave says, there's a pretty good explanation on the Aurora website.

By the way, PJM, do you go mobile and have you got ANRB 3D?

Interesting how few complained when ANRB 3D went AWOL for most of yesterday?  Maybe few sales or few users.

[pjm]

There's a good (and reasonably unbiased, given the source)

haha - good joke

However just to be clear, in our view Google Earth is an excellent product for NON REALTIME applications.

There is no way the Aurora 3D will ever be able to display real time temperatures, cloud layers, etc or anything else that relies on real time, or near real time information from the internet. It will only ever display old outdated (static) 3D maps, and we currently have no idea of the details or planet coverage of them.

I'd also disagree with their statement below as the AC will be displayed as they are received by RB. Most of the time the GE terrain is already loaded and cached.

* Our Virtual Radar is designed to be a TRUE real time system (see below). If we used Google Earth there would be a significant delay between the aircraft sending its position and the screen displaying the aircrafts new position.
This may be as low as 5 or 10 seconds but may be significantly over 30 seconds for customers without a high spec PC.
We believe it is unacceptable that a customer would be watching an aircraft preparing to take off on their Virtual Radar and at the same time seeing it flying off into the distance in real life.

Even if it were 10 or 30 seconds, an AC doesn't fly out of sight in that time.

[pjm]

By the way, PJM, do you go mobile and have you got ANRB 3D?

I've never taken the RB mobile (although I do have the equipment to do so if I wanted, i.e. laptop, mobile broadband) - but to date I've been quite happy to watch in the comfort of my home, yes I have ANRB 3D.

[DaveReid]

There's a good (and reasonably unbiased, given the source)  summary of the pros and cons of using Google Earth vs standalone 3D Virtual Earth software at www.auroraeurotech.com/avionics/faq.php

haha - good joke

Ah, you mean it's more along the lines of AirNav's RadarBox/SBS-1 comparison ...  :-)

[Anmer]

I've never taken the RB mobile (although I do have the equipment to do so if I wanted, i.e. laptop, mobile broadband) - but to date I've been quite happy to watch in the comfort of my home, yes I have ANRB 3D.

By the way pjm, were you a Beta Tester for AirNav 3D?

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=3789.msg37466#msg37466

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=4251.msg42791#msg42791

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=4337.msg43838#msg43838

[Roadrunner]

Well I do have 3d but when I seriously need (for spotting purposes) to see what is about 3D is not much good and I always revert to 2D. Yes I enjoy "playing" with 3D - and to me that it is all it is - an expensive gimmick/toy. Do I want or need cloud layers - No - if I want to know the weather in my bit of sky I can look out the window 

Mike

[pjm]

By the way pjm, were you a Beta Tester for AirNav 3D?

Anmer - to be quite honest with you, it is none of your business, not that its a secret, however I will not answer the question as a matter of principle.

Are you now going to ban me, or add some ridiculous title to my profile?

I'm so tired of anyone who says a good word about AirNav being persecuted by the moderators/admins here!

[Halcones]

That sounds like a yes then

[pjm]

That sounds like a yes then

Last time I was asked if I used ANRB, and I said yes, and suddenly there was an ANRB tag next to my name that I didn't ask to be there.

This stuff should be an option the user selects, not a tag that is put in your profile without your permission or authority.