The New Kinetic-Avionic SBS-1er

[valerie]

Why are you here at RadarSpotters Valerie?


hi all.
thank you all for the very niece posts there,  breathtaking,  inspiring, depressing, boring, but i take my time and read them all. and always have a good laugh, sure you know that's  why i am here.
from val
xo xo xo xo xo xo xo xo xo xo xo xo xo.

[tyrone68]

The sbs-1er will not let you follow any military plane's on the radar if allowed this would be a bonus.

That's a big dissapointment then.  Airnav Radarbox can track military aircraft on the map okay, I wonder why the sbs-1er can't?  Have Kinetic introduced something to filter out military aircraft on the radar?

Maybe its the way i have it set up this is all new to me not very technical minded it will show military but no heading only altitude

[valerie]

The sbs-1er will not let you follow any military plane's on the radar if allowed this would be a bonus.

That's a big dissapointment then.  Airnav Radarbox can track military aircraft on the map okay, I wonder why the sbs-1er can't?  Have Kinetic introduced something to filter out military aircraft on the radar?

Maybe its the way i have it set up this is all new to me not very technical minded it will show military but no heading only altitude

hi tyrone68.
do worry about it. i think it not altitude to uniden but attitude.
from val

[Anmer]

The sbs-1er will not let you follow any military plane's on the radar if allowed this would be a bonus.

That's a big dissapointment then.  Airnav Radarbox can track military aircraft on the map okay, I wonder why the sbs-1er can't?  Have Kinetic introduced something to filter out military aircraft on the radar?

How can RadarBox track miltary aircraft on a map when they aren't transmitting positional data?

To the best of my knowledge, RadarBox tracks no more aircraft than the SBS-1, both ModeS and ModeS with ADS-B.  But I could be wrong.

[uniden]

hi tyrone68.
do worry about it. i think it not altitude to uniden but attitude.

Are you suggesting I have an attitude?  Why is this forum such un unfriendly place

How can RadarBox track miltary aircraft on a map when they aren't transmitting positional data?

But they are transmitting positional data.  I regularly see military aircraft from the French, German, etc. air forces on the map.  I'm just surprised that the sbs-1er can't plot these on the map.

One example (F-RADB) from the French military - http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?search_active=1&q=F-RADB

[Anmer]

No these do plot and always have.

But there's tons of military that one will see on the aircraft list but not on radar.  Do you not see these on RB too, such as USAF RCH flights, fighters and other non-ADS-B traffic?

[tyrone68]

The sbs-1er will not let you follow any military plane's on the radar if allowed this would be a bonus.

That's a big dissapointment then.  Airnav Radarbox can track military aircraft on the map okay, I wonder why the sbs-1er can't?  Have Kinetic introduced something to filter out military aircraft on the radar?

How can RadarBox track miltary aircraft on a map when they aren't transmitting positional data?

To the best of my knowledge, RadarBox tracks no more aircraft than the SBS-1, both ModeS and ModeS with ADS-B.  But I could be wrong.

I cant see how it would be legal to track military aircraft.

[uniden]

No these do plot and always have.

But there's tons of military that one will see on the aircraft list but not on radar.  Do you not see these on RB too, such as USAF RCH flights, fighters and other non-ADS-B traffic?

Well, of course anything not transmitting ADS/B won't appear on the map.  But tyrone68 was saying that the sbs-1er will not let you follow any military planes.  Is that true or not?  Maybe Kinetic have given in to CAA pressure and blocked all military aircraft.

You can definately follow military aircraft on the Radarbox map if they're transmitting ADS/B.

[Anmer]

Just for clarification, the SBS-1 will plot any aircraft picked up transmitting positional data.  That includes military aircraft, such as USAF, GAF, FAF, BAF and even Brazilian C130's.

From what I've read, the ANRB plots the same aircraft.

My guess is Tyrone is talking about miltary a/c not transmitting positional data. for which the Plane Plotter Mlat option may help.

[uniden]

Just for clarification, the SBS-1 will plot any aircraft picked up transmitting positional data.  That includes military aircraft, such as USAF, GAF, FAF, BAF and even Brazilian C130's.

But does the SBS-1er work in the same way?  tyrone68, who I'm guessing has first-hand experence, definately said that the sbs-1er will not let you follow any military planes.  Can we get that clarified from Kinetic or ML&S.

[DaveReid]

You can definately follow military aircraft on the Radarbox map if they're transmitting ADS/B.

No-one is disputing that, however your original statement:

Airnav Radarbox can track military aircraft on the map okay, I wonder why the sbs-1er can't?

makes no sense.

[uniden]

No-one is disputing that, however your original statement:

Airnav Radarbox can track military aircraft on the map okay, I wonder why the sbs-1er can't?

makes no sense.

Why not - that's exactly what tyrone68 said.  He said the SBS-1er can't track any military aircraft.  I just want clarification as to whether this is true or not.

[tyrone68]

Just for clarification, the SBS-1 will plot any aircraft picked up transmitting positional data.  That includes military aircraft, such as USAF, GAF, FAF, BAF and even Brazilian C130's.

But does the SBS-1er work in the same way?  tyrone68, who I'm guessing has first-hand experence, definately said that the sbs-1er will not let you follow any military planes.  Can we get that clarified from Kinetic or ML&S.

I have picked up a lot of military planes globemaster Hercules f15 so on it will come up showing altitude only. All of this will be stored in the basestation reporter where it has more info about what has been found i.e. military. Like i say i am new to this maybe i am doing something wrong if so any help would be appreciated.

[DaveReid]

Why not - that's exactly what tyrone68 said.  He said the SBS-1er can't track any military aircraft.  I just want clarification as to whether this is true or not.

There is absolutely no distinction made in the Mode S specs between transmissions from civil and military aircraft, and it follows that any Mode S receiver will therefore treat both in exactly the same way.  

That applies to both SBS (all variants thereof) and RadarBox - at the point where the signal is being processed, the box has no idea whether it's coming from a civil or military aircraft.

[uniden]

So, I wonder why tyrone68's sbs-1er isn't showing positions for any military aircraft.  There's plenty of French/German/US military transmitting position - I've logged dozens of them.  Mainly A310s, but also CL60s, GLF5s, B752s, and even a couple of Boeing E6a's.

Maybe Basestation v141 filters these out for some reason?