Locking topics again....

[victor meldrew]

I see that Airnav forum admin has reverted to locking topics again - this time discussions about the so-called "static" problem seem to be getting under their skin.

Don't Airnav realise that, psychologically, the suppression of a topic immediately plants much more doubt and suspicion in peoples' minds than allowing open discussion, no matter how contentious that discussion may be?

The "benefits" of totalitarian censorship and media control were disproved decades ago.  Suppression of free speech and open opinion will, by its very nature, instantly arouse doubts, fears and questions. 

I guarantee that locking a topic that is clearly a matter of genuine concern to many, will arouse far more questions and speculation than just letting it run its course.

Ah well, a voice in the wilderness.

[Anmer]

Thanks for pointing that out Victor. It's just what we can expect from a totalitarian regime.

[valerie]

wake me up when something new happens.

[Anmer]

Locking threads don't work as someone soon starts another one.  This is the opening message from a new one this afternoon called Very Annoyed User:

After receiving back my box from w&s a few weeks ago the box hasvbeen working superbly well, turned it on this morning receiving 130-180 messages when suddenly it drops to zero! Exactly what happened before so looks like another return, I am very dissapointed as I enjoy using the box like everyone else, this cost a lot of money and I want it to be right!

No doubt AirNav will accuse the very annoyed user of working for Kinetic. 

[Hamish McTorsk]

I removed the last post because it was not true, the topic "Very Annoyed User" is not locked.

[akzah]

"The "benefits" of totalitarian censorship and media control were disproved decades ago.  Suppression of free speech and open opinion will, by its very nature, instantly arouse doubts, fears and questions."

I am laughing at that, why? Because we didn't delete any posts. Those two threads as well as the others on static (probally ober 10) have had loads of posts going over 2 pages+, they weren't deleted we didn't get annoyed. We decided to act when certain users were saying the same things over and over again (mainly aimed at saying there was something wrong with the second batch as well and also saying new customers won't know any differnce)


We had anserwed these a few items in each post though it seemed to us when they were mentioned again and again by same people that they were using it and other topic just to keep it highlighted and near the top of the posts.

The FAQ mentions the issue as well so were not hiding anything, as Hamish said we didn't lock the other post.

[uniden]

To be honest, if Airnav really wanted to censor, they would delete the threads (like Kinetic do).  They dont delete them, and they don't attempt to hide these problems, just limit the number of threads used to discuss the problem.  Seems the best approach to me.

[Anmer]

To be honest, if Airnav really wanted to censor, they would delete the threads (like Kinetic do).  

I'm only aware of one thread that Kinetic deleted, which, in my opinion, shouldn't have been posted in the first place as it had nothing to do with using the SBS-1 or Basestation software.

What were the other ones?

My point is that locking threads doesdn't work as someone will only start a new one and that's less helpful as the topic gets spread all over the place.

[uniden]

My point is that locking threads doesdn't work as someone will only start a new one and that's less helpful as the topic gets spread all over the place.

But that was the whole point of locking the threads, to avoid the discussion being spread across several topics!!

[Anmer]

My point is that locking threads doesdn't work as someone will only start a new one and that's less helpful as the topic gets spread all over the place.

But that was the whole point of locking the threads, to avoid the discussion being spread across several topics!!

But that's exactly what's happened.

Bad move!

And, by the way, I just remembered AirNav deleted a thread where it accused its competitors of telling lies.  No doubt it's lawyers suggested it would be a good idea to delete that one?

[victor meldrew]

"The "benefits" of totalitarian censorship and media control were disproved decades ago.  Suppression of free speech and open opinion will, by its very nature, instantly arouse doubts, fears and questions."

I am laughing at that, why? Because we didn't delete any posts. Those two threads as well as the others on static (probally ober 10) have had loads of posts going over 2 pages+, they weren't deleted we didn't get annoyed. We decided to act when certain users were saying the same things over and over again (mainly aimed at saying there was something wrong with the second batch as well and also saying new customers won't know any differnce)


We had anserwed these a few items in each post though it seemed to us when they were mentioned again and again by same people that they were using it and other topic just to keep it highlighted and near the top of the posts.

The FAQ mentions the issue as well so were not hiding anything, as Hamish said we didn't lock the other post.

I hear what you say Akzah but with great respect I think you've got the wrong end of the stick.

If someone has a go at you because of a faulty box, that's his right. He'll be happy again when it's been fixed and, even if it isn't, he'll stop grumbling sooner or later.Very few people bear grudges in the way you suggest and even fewer come back time and again in an effort to keep the topic at the top.  Most folk have far better things to do.

If you lock one topic then, as someone has already pointed out, the next complainant will simply start a new one. So instead of having a single thread for the "static" problem, you'll end up with loads of different threads all banging on about the same subject.

But let's be blunt here - this is not about locking threads, posting statistics, offering repair advice etc. This is about a succession of perfectly normal honest RB owners coming on to the forum recently and complaining that their boxes have gone phut.

You may say it's just a small minority but they keep on coming -and as long as they keep on coming, the forum will continue to reflect it.

[valerie]

I removed the last post because it was not true, the topic "Very Annoyed User" is not locked.

In reference to deleting my post,
i said two posts where locked and they where going for a hat trick.

And i agree with uniden they don't attempt to hide these problems, just limit the number of threads used to discuss the problem, this is normal in any forum, its not just the  arirnav site.
from val

[GlynH]

To be honest, if Airnav really wanted to censor, they would delete the threads (like Kinetic do). 

I'm only aware of one thread that Kinetic deleted, which, in my opinion, shouldn't have been posted in the first place as it had nothing to do with using the SBS-1 or Basestation software.

What were the other ones?

Hey Anmer,

Nice to see some familiar names around here...:-)

Was that my thread you were referencing about a year ago?

I thought it had everything to do with the SBS-1 as I was thinking of buying one at the time...:-/

If not then please be advised that there is at least one more thread that has been deleted ;^)

IIRC it was deleted after I was going to be 'investigated' or something similar :-O

Turns out I am not a criminal or a security risk after all...just a simple old RadarBox user who has a lifelong interest in all things aircrafty!

I really didn't want to get bogged down with politics/history etc...still don't.

I just want to enjoy my hobby.

Kind regards,
-=Glyn=-

[Anmer]

Maybe my grey cells are crumbling quicker these days but I've no idea what thread of yours was deleted?

[chrisg0wtz]

To be honest, if Airnav really wanted to censor, they would delete the threads (like Kinetic do). 

I'm only aware of one thread that Kinetic deleted, which, in my opinion, shouldn't have been posted in the first place as it had nothing to do with using the SBS-1 or Basestation software.

What were the other ones?

Hey Anmer,

Nice to see some familiar names around here...:-)

Was that my thread you were referencing about a year ago?

I thought it had everything to do with the SBS-1 as I was thinking of buying one at the time...:-/

If not then please be advised that there is at least one more thread that has been deleted ;^)

IIRC it was deleted after I was going to be 'investigated' or something similar :-O

Turns out I am not a criminal or a security risk after all...just a simple old RadarBox user who has a lifelong interest in all things aircrafty!

I really didn't want to get bogged down with politics/history etc...still don't.

I just want to enjoy my hobby.

Kind regards,
-=Glyn=-

Glyns Thread was moved to an invisible area as it had got out of control and people had started getting very rude and personal about me,Airnav and David at Kinetic.
It served no purpose.
It had nothing to do with Glyn (BTW I have met him a few times and he is a very pleasant chap)

I could re instate it with the rude bits deleted but I can not see it would add any value to the forum

I think at the end of the day the forum is a a useful support tool & chat area  but complaints should be with your supplier and not the manufacturer.

The SBS and Radarbox both for some strange reason seem to be something people will moan on a forum for days about before calling the supplier.

If it breaks call the shop you got it from and get them to earn the profit they make.
If your unit goes back for repair then goes pop a few times there are 2 common denominators the box and your set up.
Which ever box you have there are many thousand users out there very happy so the fundamental design must be ok.

I can only speak for the SBS and here are a few issues that have been solved by eliminating items in setups.

USB Hubs that are powered sometimes have a voltage on the earth side of the power plug due to cheap poor quality power supplies.

If you have a voltmeter just get a Cheap power supply like the ones used for routers and and put the voltmeter across the outer of the plug and your PC case.If there are volts present it can be a problem.
Solution do not use a hub.

Mast head preamps like the Elad and Khune use a bias tee to send 12v up the coax to your preamp.Connecting it the wrong way sends 12v down the coax to your SBS.
Not ideal and the solution is connect it the right way round.

Radio hams transmitting high power on HF and UHF can cause your USB to appear unplugged and crash the SBS software

As far as possible Kinetic have taken measures to deal with above and the only way to get problems logged and get moaning at the manufacturer is to go to your dealer tell him and he will moan at us who go and get results.

I am with Glyn lets enjoy the hobby

By reading this you may have missed the new Virgin 380 flying over your hous

Cheers